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I'D LIKE TO BRING THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
[I) Call to Order]
THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO READ THE CHAIR'S MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT.[II) Remote Meeting Announcement - Chairman Turnure]
LET ME TAKE OFF THIS MASK, IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE.IT IS THE HISTORIC DISTRICT REVIEWS COMMITTEE'S RESPONSIBILITY TO CONDUCT ESSENTIAL PUBLIC BUSINESS DESPITE THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC; HOWEVER, IT RECOGNIZES THE NEED TO DO SO SAFELY FOR NOT ONLY ITS MEMBERSHIP BUT FOR ALSO THE TOWN STAFF AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
TO THAT END, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RESOLUTION CONFIRMING THE DECLARATION OF A LOCAL EMERGENCY AND THE ORDINANCE TO IMPLEMENT EMERGENCY PROCEDURES AND EFFECTUATE TEMPORARY CHANGES TO ADDRESS CONTINUITY OF GOVERNMENTAL OPERATIONS DURING COVID-19 AS ADOPTED BY THE MIDDELBURG TOWN COUNCIL.
THE HDRC WILL HOLD ITS MEETINGS BY A HYBRID SYSTEM, INCLUDING IN-PERSON ATTENDANCE BY THOSE COMMITTEE MEMBERS WHO ARE COMFORTABLE DOING SO, AND REMOTE ACCESS FOR THE PUBLIC, APPLICANTS AND THOSE COMMITTEE MEMBERS WHO PREFER THIS METHOD, UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE GOVERNOR RESCINDS HIS EMERGENCY ORDER MANDATING SOCIAL DISTANCING.
COPIES OF THE PREVIOUSLY REFERENCED DOCUMENTS ARE AVAILABLE ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO VIEW THEM.
THE TOWN WILL CONTINUE TO LIVE STREAM AND RECORD ITS PUBLIC MEETINGS, WHICH ARE AVAILABLE FOR VIEWING, ALONG WITH THE MEETING AGENDA PACKET, ON OUR WEBSITE AT WWW.MIDDLEBURGVA.GOV. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO PARTICIPATE IN THE HDRC MEETING DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AND OR APPLICANTS WHO ARE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THEIR APPLICATION MAY DO SO BY DIALING FIVE FOUR ZERO THREE THREE NINE SIX THREE FIVE FIVE.
YOU WILL BE PLACED ON MUTE UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS OPENED OR YOUR APPLICATION IS HEARD RESPECTIVELY.
TO ENSURE TRUST IN THE PROCESS, THE TOWN CLERK WILL DO A ROLL CALL OF THE HDRC MEMBERS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING AND AT LEAST ONCE AN HOUR.
IN ADDITION, I WILL ASK EACH MEMBER BY NAME IF THEY HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS RELATED TO EACH ITEM AS WE PROCEED.
WHEN ANYONE SPEAKS, HE OR SHE IS ASKED TO FIRST STATE HIS OR HER NAME FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE VIEWING AUDIENCE.
ALL VOTES OF THE HDRC WILL BE TAKEN BY ROLL CALL.
TOWN CLERK WILL ANNOUNCE MEMBER'S NAME, WITH THE INDIVIDUAL THEN STATING HOW THEY ARE VOTING. OKAY, I GUESS THE FIRST THING WE DO IS LET'S DO A ROLL CALL AND WE CAN
[III) Roll Call]
START WITH THE HEAD OF THE TABLE OVER HERE.OH, CINDY, ARE YOU THERE? COUNCIL MEMBER.
OKAY, BEFORE WE GET INTO OUR BUSINESS, INSTEAD OF HAVING ANY KIND OF PUBLIC SPEAKING ENGAGEMENT, I THINK THE MAYOR IS HERE.
HE WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING TO US ALL.
ACTUALLY SOMETHING TO YOU, BILL.
OKAY. [LAUGHTER] SO AS WE UNDERSTAND IT, THIS WILL BE YOUR POTENTIALLY LAST MEETING AS CHAIR OF THE HDRC .
AS A MEMBER OF THE HDRC AS WELL.
IF YOU WALK AROUND TOWN TODAY AND SEE IT AS IT IS, YOU CAN THANK OR BLAME BILL.
[LAUGHTER] BUT NO, SO BILL HAS BEEN ON HDRC SINCE ITS INCEPTION, WHICH IS NOW OVER 30 YEARS, WHICH I THINK IS KIND OF INTERESTING SINCE HE'S ONLY 39.
IT WAS AN ELECTIVE THAT I TOOK IN GRADE SCHOOL.
[LAUGHTER] YOU LEARNED IT AT SCHOOL YOU REALLY DID.
NO, BUT IN ALL HONESTY, ONLY AS A MEMBER OF THE HDRC, BUT AS CHAIR FOR LIKE TWENTY SIX OF THE THIRTY YEARS YOUR DEDICATION TO THE TOWN OF MIDDLEBURG.
ALTHOUGH YOU COULD NEVER FIND YOUR WAY TO LIVING HERE, WHICH WE DON'T UNDERSTAND.
[LAUGHTER] YOU ARE A MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY AND YOU HAVE A SPECIAL PLACE IN ALL OF OUR HEARTS. AND SO WE JUST REALLY WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR SERVICE AND I HOPE YOU HAVEN'T CASHED THE CHECKS BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BOUNCE.
WELL, IT HAS BEEN SERIOUSLY A PRIVILEGE AND AN HONOR TO SERVE ON THIS COMMITTEE OVER THE
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YEARS. IT HAS BEEN A LABOR OF LOVE.THE TOWN HAS GIVEN ME BACK MORE THAN I HAVE GIVEN TO IT.
SO IT HAS BEEN WONDERFUL, ESPECIALLY TO WORK WITH THIS PARTICULAR COMMITTEE HERE AND ALL THE COMMITTEES AND STAFFS OVER THE YEARS.
I THINK THE STAFF AND COUNCIL ARE THE STRONGEST IT'S EVER BEEN SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE AND I'VE BEEN IN TOWN SINCE 1980 OR WHATEVER.
IT IS JUST A WONDERFUL TOWN AND MY LITTLE CONTRIBUTION TO KEEP IT THAT WONDERFUL TOWN THAT IT IS, IS JUST A VERY LITTLE PORTION OF EVERYBODY THAT DOES THE SAME THING.
SO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR KIND WORDS, MR. MAYOR, AND THANK YOU ALL, TOO.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE I'M I'M LEAVING FOREVER, BUT I'LL BE AROUND FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
BUT I THINK IT'S TIME TO PASS THE TORCH, BUT THANK YOU ALL.
WE RECOGNIZED WE WANTED TO FIND SOMETHING THAT WAS FITTING, SPECIAL, MEMORABLE TO GIVE YOU TONIGHT, AND SOMETHING WE KNOW THAT YOU WOULD TRULY APPRECIATE, AND ABSOLUTELY USE.
[LAUGHTER] [INAUDIBLE] NOW I SEE A COOLER.
I'M GOING TO HAVE TO STOP AT SAFEWAY ON THE WAY HOME.
[LAUGHTER]. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[APPLAUSE] AND WITH THAT, I WILL LEAVE AND SPEAKERS] TAKE ONE WITH YOU IF YOU'RE [INAUDIBLE].
NO, NO, NO, I GOT TO GET HOME.
OKAY, NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS ARE THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM OUR SEPTEMBER THE THIRD
[IV) Approval of Minutes]
MEETING. HAS EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO READ THE MINUTES? ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR OMISSIONS TO THOSE MINUTES? IS THERE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION, MARGARET LITTLETON, THAT WE APPROVE THE SEPTEMBER MEETING MINUTES.MOTION PASSES. OKAY, MOVING ON.
[V.a) COA 20-17 Request of Middleburg American Legion Post 295 for a bronze plaque at 2 W Washington St (Noble House)]
ACTION ITEMS, ACTION ITEM NEW BUSINESS.ACTION ITEM 5A COA 20-17 REQUEST OF MIDDELBURG AMERICAN LEGION POST 295 FOR A BRONZE PLAQUE AT 2 W WASHINGTON STREET IN THE NOBLE HOUSE.
WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE AMERICAN LEGION HERE; I GUESS TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD SIR? NO, OTHER THAN WE'RE DELIGHTED TO BE ABLE TO HONOR THE MIDDELBURG POLICE FORCE.
THE WORK THEY DO AND HAVE DONE MEMORIALIZED IN THIS BRONZE PLAQUE TO MEMORIALIZE THE LIFE OF THOMAS SEATON, SERGEANT THOMAS SEATON, WHO WAS KILLED IN THE LINE OF DUTY IN 1899 AT THE CORNER OF MADISON AND MAINE AND WASHINGTON STREET.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE PLAQUE WILL GO.
IT'LL BE ON THE BRICK WALL FACING EASTWARD, IT'S AT THE CORNER OF THE NOBLE HOUSE.
HAVING RECEIVED PERMISSION FROM THE OWNER, CHARLIE CARROLL [INAUDIBLE] WE HAVE KLINE MEMORIAL IN MANASSAS PREPARING A, I THINK A VERY, FITTING BRONZE MEMORIAL WITH THE LOGO OF THE MIDDELBURG POLICE DEPARTMENT AT THE TOP, SOME COMMEMORATIVE LANGUAGE, AND THEN THE LOGO OF THE AMERICAN LEGION AT THE BOTTOM.
SO I THINK IT'S VERY TASTEFUL AND I THINK IT'S A NICE ADDITION TO THE TOWN.
ANY COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE? I THINK IT'S VERY ATTRACTIVE.
THE ONLY COMMENT THAT I MIGHT HAVE IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO PUT ON THE PLAQUE; I'D LIKE TO SORT OF SEE IT ON THE PLAQUE TO SEE HOW, YOU KNOW, IN FULL SIZE IT MIGHT BE DIFFICULT TO READ.
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IT SEEMS LIKE IT MIGHT BE SMALL, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT.I MEAN, IT'S A WONDERFUL THING THAT YOU'RE PLANNING ON DOING HERE.
WELL, IT'S VERY HARD TO SIMULATE BRONZE ON PAPER.
BUT I WILL SAY THIS, I HAD KLINE PREPARE A MEMORIAL AT THE [INAUDIBLE] CEMETERY FOR MEMORIAL DAY IN 2014 COMMEMORATING THE PEOPLE WHO HAD GONE BEFORE US, WHO HAD PAID THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE.
AND THEY DID A VERY, VERY TASTEFUL JOB.
I CAN'T IMAGINE KLINE MEMORIAL DOING SOMETHING THAT WOULD THE ONLY YEAH, CAN I MAKE A COMMENT PLEASE? ABSOLUTELY.
OKAY, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PLAQUE ALSO AND TO MEMORIALIZE AN OFFICER IS VERY IMPORTANT, BUT WHAT AND IT KIND OF HAPPENS WHEN THE BE THERE NOW? AND AT SOME POINT, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET LIKE A WALL OF FAME SOMEWHERE, OR MAYBE NOT CALLING IT THAT, A WALL FOR THE TYPE OF PLAQUE SOMEWHERE ELSE MAYBE IT'S IN THE MIC] BE BOLD AND THE NEXT PERSON ALONG NOT REALLY LIKE IT ON THERE OR BE APPROPRIATE ON THERE. BUT I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT THOUGHT OUT THERE.
I THINK IT WILL BE FINE FOR MANY YEARS TO COME, BUT IT COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN.
IT'S ONLY BEEN ONE HUNDRED AND TEN YEARS SINCE THIS HAS OCCURRED.
THE TOWN HASN'T DONE ANYTHING ABOUT IT, NOR ANY OTHER FRATERNAL OR COMMUNAL GROUP HAS STEPPED UP. AND WE'VE SPOKEN WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WITH THE TOWN ADMINISTRATION, AND WE FEEL IT'S LONG PAST APPROPRIATE TO DO SO.
AND IF IT HAS, LIKE YOU SAY, CINDY, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A PLAQUE WALL, IF YOU WILL, SOMEPLACE IN TOWN, WHEN YOU COME UP WITH THAT THE LEGION WOULD BE HAPPY TO MOVE IT.
IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE CONSTRUCTION.
IT'S FASTENED BY FOUR ROSETTES THAT ARE ANCHORED IN THE BRICK ITSELF.
THEY CAN BE REMOVED, THE BRICK CAN BE REPAIRED AND THE PLAQUE MOVED TO THE TOWN'S CHOICE OF LOCATION.
JUST TO REITERATE WHAT YOU SAID, BILL.
THIS IS TIM CLITES FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT HERE IN PERSON.
JUST TO REITERATE, I LIKE THE PLAQUE.
I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT WHETHER THE WRITTEN WORD WILL BE LARGE ENOUGH TO BE EASILY READ. IT'S HARD TO TELL FROM THE SCALE OF THE IMAGE THAT WE HAVE, WHETHER IT WOULD BE EASILY READ, SO I DON'T KNOW.
IS KLINE MEMORIAL GOING TO GIVE YOU A DIFFERENT LAYOUT, OR IS THIS THEIR FINAL LAYOUT? THAT'S MY LAYOUT THAT I GAVE TO THEM TO WORK FROM.
YEAH, AND THEY CAME BACK WITH THE SIZE THAT THEY NEEDED IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE WORDS.
SO THEY CAME BACK WITH 14 BY 24.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THE THE BRICK STANCHION IT'S GOING TO BE PLACED ON IS SIX INCHES WIDE. SO THEY WANT TO LEAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A BORDER ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE PLAQUE, AND A LITTLE BIT OF BORDER SO IT WILL BE EVENLY PLACED THE LETTERING ON THE BRONZE PLAQUE ITSELF. BUT THEY CAME UP WITH THE TWENTY FOUR INCHES I DIDN'T.
BECAUSE I LOOK AT IT AND IT'S LIKE THEY HAVE ACTUALLY 30 INCHES TO WORK WITH I WOULD WANT IT TO BE BIG ENOUGH TO READ AS FAR AWAY AS POSSIBLE AND THAT WOULD BE THE POINT OF IT, RIGHT? RIGHT.
AND SO IT'S LIKE IT HAS A LOT OF WHITE SPACE AT THE BOTTOM.
AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE IF YOU COULD STRETCH IT AND BUMP UP THE FONT SIZE A LITTLE BIT.
AND IF THEY WERE GOING TO DO THAT BEFORE THEY PRINTED IT, I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER.
JUST TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
I FEEL BETTER KNOWING THAT YOU GAVE THEM THIS AS OPPOSED TO THEM COMING UP WITH THIS LAYOUT, BECAUSE THEY OBVIOUSLY HAVE DONE THIS THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF TIMES.
SO I HAVE MUCH MORE CONFIDENCE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE DONE PROPERLY.
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BUT AGAIN, IT WOULD JUST BE NICE FOR YOU ALL AND ANYONE JUST TO SEE WHAT THE FINAL WELL I HAVE THE CONTRACT AND A CHECK IN THIS ENVELOPE TO DELIVER TO MANASSAS TOMORROW.IT WAS PREDICATED UPON BEING ACCEPTED TONIGHT.
AND THEN WITH THAT, THEY WILL GIVE US A A MOCKUP OF WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE.
THE ONLY MOCKUP THEY GAVE US WAS A BRONZE PLAQUE ON THEIR BUILDING TO SHOW HOW IT WOULD BE FASTENED WITH THE ROSETTES.
[LAUGHTER] BUT I MEAN, IT'S A PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION.
I CAN'T IMAGINE IT NOT BEING ATTRACTIVE.
BUT I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ALL GOING TO BE APPROVED BEFORE THEY DO ANY MORE WORK ON IT.
SURE. THE BIGGEST PROBLEM AND THE BIGGEST EXPENSE IS CREATING THE MIDDELBURG POLICE DEPARTMENT LOGO.
THEY ALREADY HAVE AN AMERICAN LEGION LOGO, PROBABLY HAVING DONE THIS AND WHO KNOWS HOW MANY GRAVES IN AND AROUND THE GREATER MANASSAS AREA.
EXCUSE ME, I'M HAVING A LITTLE TROUBLE WITH THIS SO I GUESS I DON'T KNOW HOW THE REST OF THE COMMITTEE WOULD FEEL.
I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE APPROVING IT WITH THE FINAL DRAFT JUST TO BE COMFORT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T DOUBT IT EITHER WE'VE WORKED WITH KLINE MEMORIAL AS WELL, AND I THINK THEY'LL DO A NICE JOB, BUT I THINK IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE SOMEONE HERE JUST LOOK AT IT ONCE BEFORE.
AND I'M SURE THE LEGION WANTS TO OH, YEAH. WE DON'T WANT TO REPRESENT OURSELVES AS ANYTHING BUT FIRST CLASS.
WHEN I GO THERE TOMORROW, I WILL ASK THEM TO SEND A MOCKUP TO ME AND TO WILL MOORE AND HE CAN GET IT TO YOU.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IS THERE A MOTION? I MOVE THAT, I GUESS I SHOULD STATE MY NAME FOR THOSE THAT ARE NOT HERE, TIM CLITES.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE COA 20-17 REQUEST OF MIDDELBURG AMERICAN LEGION POST 295 FOR A BRONZE PLAQUE AT 2 WEST WASHINGTON STREET CONDITION THAT THE DRAFT MOCKUP BE SENT TO WILL, FOR SOMEONE ON THE COMMITTEE TO REVIEW AND APPROVE THE FINAL DRAFT.
[INAUDIBLE] OH, THAT'S RIGHT, YOU DON'T VOTE, DO YOU? I DON'T VOTE, BUT I'LL SAY YES.
[LAUGHTER] WELL GREAT THEN IT'S UNANIMOUS.
IT'S A NICE THING YOU DO BY THE WAY THANK YOU IT'S APPRECIATED. A 110 YEARS, WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN? WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS TOWN? [LAUGHTER] YEARS.
BUT YOU KNOW, THE STORY BEHIND IT WAS THE GUY WAS DRUNK AND APPREHENDED BY THOMAS SEATON.
[INAUDIBLE] PUT IN JAIL FOR A WHILE TO COOL OFF.
AND THEN HE WENT HOME AND HE TOLD HIS BROTHER ABOUT IT AND HIS BROTHER GOT ALL TANKED OFF AND WHAT HAVE YOU. AND HE CAME IN AND HIS BROTHER ACTUALLY SPLIT HIS GUTS, SEATON'S GUTS, YOU KNOW, ALL THIS A TERRIBLE THING.
ANYWAY, EIGHT DAYS LATER THEY APPREHENDED THE ORIGINAL BROTHER WHO WAS THE DRUNK.
IN 1908 THEY APPREHENDED THE ACTUAL KILLER IN OHIO.
AND THEY BOTH SERVED A LONG TERM.
SO ANYWAY THEY GOT WHAT THEY DESERVED.
OKAY, MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ACTION ITEM.
NEW BUSINESS ACTION ITEM 5B COA 20-18 REQUEST OF JEREMY SMITH FOR THE RELOCATION OF THE
[V.b) COA 20-18 Request of Jeremy Smith for the relocation of the existing spiral staircase at 209 E Washington St (Catawba Corporation)]
EXISTING SPIRAL STAIRCASE AT 209 EAST WASHINGTON STREET.IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO REPRESENT THE MR. SMITH IS ON THE LINE.
HI JEREMY, HOW ARE YOU TONIGHT?
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ALL RIGHT. HOW ARE YOU? I'M DOING WELL, DOING VERY WELL.OKAY. WOULD YOU LIKE TO PRESENT YOUR PROJECT TO US? OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOT ALL YOUR INFORMATION.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD? I GUESS JUST THE BASIC CATALYST FOR THIS SPRINGBOARD OFF OF THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HISTORIC RESOURCES REVIEW OF OUR APPLICATION FOR [INAUDIBLE] THE TAX CREDIT PROGRAM.
AND THEY HAD SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS THAT WE HAD TO MEET TO REGISTER THIS AS A SIGNIFICANT [INAUDIBLE] STRUCTURE.
AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT THEY HAD WAS THE STAIRS COULD NOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
SO THEY REQUESTED US TO REMOVE AND RELOCATE THE STAIRS TO THE REAR OF THE BUILDING.
AND AS YOU CAN KIND OF SEE FROM THE PICTURES PROVIDED WITH THE APPLICATION THERE IS NOT TOO MANY OPPORTUNITIES ON THE BACK SIDE TO ATTACH THAT [INAUDIBLE].
BUT IT IS RELOCATED TO THE REAR PORTION OF THE BUILDING AND PROVIDED WITH A [INAUDIBLE] EXTENSION TO REACH THE NEW STAIRS LOCATION BASED ON A FIRST FLOOR ADDITION OFF THE BACK OF THE BUILDING. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE BASICS OF IT IN A NUTSHELL.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD [INAUDIBLE] ON THAT.
ANY COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE? THIS IS BILL ANDERSON.
I ASSUME THIS HAS GONE THROUGH A BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS WITH REGARDS TO EXITING AND ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF. IS THAT TRUE? IT IS SUBMITTED RIGHT NOW WITH LOUDOUN COUNTY FOR REVENUE AS WELL.
I HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT NUMBER FOR THAT, IF YOU'D PREFER TO HAVE THAT.
BUT IT IS SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AS WELL.
I THINK IT'LL BE A VAST IMPROVEMENT AND BE MUCH MORE PLEASANT WHEN YOU WALK OR DRIVE BY LOOKING AT THAT LOVELY BUILDING AND NOT SEEING THE STAIRCASE KIND OF JUTTING OUT FROM THE SIDE, SO THANK YOU.
COMMITTEE MEMBER CLITES, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT? JUST TO CONFIRM, HAS THE SOLUTION THAT YOU'RE PRESENTING TO US, BEEN PRESENTED TO VDHR FOR THEIR COMMENT? IT HAS, AND THEY HAVE ACCEPTED THE NEW STAIR LOCATION WITHOUT ANY COMMENT.
I WOULD TOTALLY AGREE WITH PUNKIN.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT IMPROVEMENT TO TAKE IT AND MOVE IT OUT OF THE SIGHTLINE FROM ROUTE 50 AND PUT IT BEHIND THE BUILDING.
COMMITTEE MEMBER JENKINS, AS WELL.
YES YEAH, I AGREE AS FAR AS THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS CONCERNED, TO HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, COME OFF THE SIDE AND MOVE IT TO THE BACK.
I FIND IT'S A LITTLE BIT AWKWARD COMING OUT OVER THAT ROOFLINE TO THE BACK.
BUT CONSIDERING THAT IT IS OFF THE [INAUDIBLE] FROM THE STREET, I THINK IT'S A BETTER SOLUTION. SO THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IS THERE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE COA 20-18 REQUEST OF JEREMY SMITH FOR THE RELOCATION OF THE EXISTING SPIRAL STAIRCASE AT 209 EAST WASHINGTON STREET CATAWBA CORPORATION.
ALL RIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU JEREMY.
THANK YOU, GUYS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OKAY, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ACTION ITEM 5C, THE REQUEST OF NICHOLAS HUTCHINS FOR EXTERIOR
[V.c) COA 20-16 Request of Nicholas Hutchins for exterior modifications at 409 E Marshall St]
MODIFICATIONS AT 409 E MARSHALL STREET.I TAKE IT MR. HUTCHINSON IS HUTCHINS, HOW ARE YOU THIS EVENING? GOOD EVENING, DOING WELL.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO YOUR APPLICATION? WE GOT THE LATEST REVISION FOR YOUR EXTERIOR SCONCES.
SO WE'VE GOT THOSE AS PART OF YOUR APPLICATION.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT IS NOT ON THE APPLICATION?
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JUST THE COMMON THINGS [INAUDIBLE] Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE HOME, OBVIOUSLY IT'S IN NEED OF REPAIR . [INAUDIBLE] ALL RIGHT. ANY COMMENTS, COMMITTEE MEMBER ANDERSON? NOT YET, NO.OKAY, PUNKIN, COMMITTEE MEMBER LEE.
CHAIR, VICE CHAIR LEE, I SHOULD SAY, SOON TO BE.
[LAUGHTER] OKAY FIRST OFF BEFORE WE START MUCH DISCUSSION, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR TAKING ON THIS PROJECT.
HOPEFULLY, THAT DOESN'T STICK AROUND AND I GOT TO START WORKING ON IT.
THE ONE THING I WILL SAY [INAUDIBLE] EVER GO OVER THE COMMENT FROM THE PREVIOUS [INAUDIBLE] AROUND THE BUILDING PERMIT. SIMILAR STORY ON MY END THE BUILDING PERMIT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION IS IN [INAUDIBLE] LOUDOUN COUNTY.
AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET THAT [INAUDIBLE] TOO.
ANY COMMENTS? COMMITTEE MEMBER CLITES, ANY THOUGHTS? A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, IF YOU COULD HELP ME UNDERSTAND.
THE FRONT DOOR, I CLICKED ON THE LINK AND SAW THE HALF-LIGHT DOOR.
IS THE THE LIGHT A TWO OVER TWO LIGHT? IN OTHER WORDS, IS IT DIVIDED INTO FOUR PANELS BY THE FRONT DOOR? LET ME PULL IT UP ON MY END AS WELL.
I BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE, LOOKING AT WAS TO HAVE A TWO OVER TWO.
TWO OVER TWO, AND IT'S A BLACK DOOR WITH BRONZE HARDWARE OR [INAUDIBLE].
IS THAT RIGHT? THE COLORING OF THE DOOR, WE'RE ACTUALLY THINKING, ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT THE COLOR AND THE HARDWARE COLOR? CORRECT.
I THINK WE WERE THINKING, ACTUALLY, THE QUARRY PAINT, NOW QUARRY PAINT IS THE COLOR? ON THE HOME DEPOT WEBSITE.
WERE CONTEMPLATING A RED COLOR IF THE [INAUDIBLE] WAS FOR THAT.
I THINK WE'RE OPEN TO EITHER OF THOSE WHATEVER YOU WANT US TO DO.
AND THEN I'LL JUST GIVE YOU A COUPLE MORE COMMENTS THAT I HAVE, AT LEAST FOR A FIRST LIST OF COMMENTS. THE PICTURE OF THE HOUSE, NOT YOUR HOME, BUT THE FIRST INSPIRATION IMAGE WITH THE DOUBLE GABLES, THE TWO STORY HOME, HAS CEDAR COLUMNS THAT ARE ACTUALLY A CEDAR COLOR.
AND I MIGHT HAVE MISSED IT SOMEWHERE, ARE YOU INTENDING TO DO CEDAR OR WHITE COLUMNS.
CEDAR WRAPPING THESE BIG COLUMNS WITH THE CEDAR.
THIS IS PUNKIN, I HAVE A QUESTION.
I MAY BE MISSING IT BUT WHAT ARE YOU DOING FOR WINDOWS IN ALL OF THIS? RIGHT, WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHT ON THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS? I'M SORRY, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING.
BUT I THINK THE QUESTION IS WHAT'S THE PLAN WITH THE WINDOWS.
BUT WE'RE PLANNING ON, THEY ARE CURRENTLY FIBERGLASS WINDOWS, NOT FIBERGLASS, VINYL WINDOWS, WERE PLANNING ON JUST REPLACING THEM WITH NEW WHITE VINYL WINDOWS.
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THIS IS BILL ANDERSON, THE FOLLOW UP QUESTION ON THE FRONT PORCH ELEVATION.THE COLUMNS YOU SAY ARE GOING TO BE CEDAR.
THE IMAGE THAT'S IN THE APPLICATION, THEY STAND OUT AS BEING VERY RED.
WHAT IS THE INTENT TO STAY IN THE CEDAR AND WHAT COLOR? WE HAVE CEDAR WE'VE DONE IN SOME PREVIOUS PROJECTS AND THERE IS NO STAINING.
THE COLOR OF THE WOOD IS WHAT IS SOURCED DIRECTLY FROM THE COMPANY WE GET THE CEDAR FROM.
SO IT WILL BE THAT COLOR THAT YOU SEE ON THE HOUSE IN THE APPLICATION.
SO IS YOUR INTENTION TO LEAVE IT NATURAL SO THAT IT WEATHERS INTO A SOFT GRAY OR TO STAIN IT.
[INAUDIBLE] TO LEAVE IT NATURAL.
TO LEAVE IT NATURAL. OKAY, I FEEL BETTER ABOUT THAT.
[LAUGHTER]. YEAH, YOU DON'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF SEEING EVERYBODY'S EYES LOOKING AT EACH OTHER UNLESS YOU'RE WATCHING US IN VIDEO.
BUT YEAH, I FEEL BETTER ABOUT COLUMNS THAT WOULD WEATHER.
I THINK THAT MIGHT BE ALL RIGHT.
YEAH, THE COLOR COMES OFF A LITTLE BIT AFTER THE FIRST COUPLE MONTHS OF WEATHERING.
SIR CAN I GIVE YOU A COMMENT ABOUT THE LIGHTING? THIS IS TIM CLITES AGAIN.
I THINK THE THE SCONCES AT THE FRONT AND BACK DOOR, THAT ARE OPEN, I ACTUALLY LIKE.
BUT THE THOUGHT OF PUTTING TWO OR THREE LIGHTS OVER THE GARAGE DOOR SEEMS TO ME TO BE, ALMOST REGARDLESS OF THE FIXTURE; A LITTLE EXCESSIVE IN TERMS OF HOW IT MIGHT LOOK WHEN THEY'RE ON AND AND WHEN THEY'RE OFF.
I DON'T KNOW HOW OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBERS FEEL ABOUT THAT.
ANY THOUGHTS FROM ANYONE? THIS IS PUNKIN. I KIND OF AGREE WITH TIM.
I THINK THEY MIGHT APPEAR OVER LIT AND A BIT HEAVY FOR THAT STRUCTURE.
I THINK TO OPEN, THIS FIXTURE IS PRETTY ENOUGH.
I'D ALMOST PREFER ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE MAYBE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT COMPLETELY SHROUDED.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT USING THAT ONE.
WELL, THIS IS THE ONE THEY REPLACED? YEAH, YES.
WHICH I THINK IT'S KIND OF EVEN SO I THINK THE QUANTITY ISSUE IS AN ISSUE WITH THE GARAGE DOOR.
THIS IS THE ONE, I THOUGHT THEY REPLACED THE OTHER ONE.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
YEAH, I TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU.
WE COULD CERTAINLY, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO ONE LIGHT OVER THE GARAGE.
I THINK WELL, I'LL EXPRESS FOR THE COMMITTEE, MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE ONE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS REGARDING THAT, FROM THE COMMITTEE? LINDA DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS? NO, I LIKE THE NEW FIXTURE THEY PICKED MUCH BETTER THAN THE ORIGINAL, BUT I WOULD AGREE ONE ON THE GARAGE IS PROBABLY PLENTY.
ANY COMMENTS FROM THE FRONT TABLE? LOOKS GOOD.
BILL CAN I SAY A COMMENT? OKAY, THANK YOU, CINDY, OR COUNCIL MEMBER PEARSON.
YES, WITH THE LIGHTS I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A STREET LIGHT DOWN THAT FAR AT ALL OR NOT.
IF THERE ISN'T, HE MIGHT NEED ACTUALLY TWO LIGHTS ON THAT GARAGE TO GIVE HIM SOME LIGHT IT GETS PRETTY DARK AROUND HERE AT NIGHT WHERE THERE IS NO STREET LIGHT.
YEAH, IT IS BUT YOU STILL NEED TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHERE TO WALK.
THIS IS TIM CLITES. I GUESS MY PREFERENCE, I'M LOOKING AT THE IMAGES OF THE EXISTING, KIND
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OF IN FRONT OF AND TO THE LEFT OF THE GARAGE, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A WALKWAY OR SOME HANDRAILS THERE. I'D RATHER SEE A POST LIGHT IN THE YARD FOR ADDITIONAL LIGHTING FOR WALKING, THAN MORE LIGHTS OVER THE GARAGE DOOR.THAT WOULD BE GREAT, JUST SOMETHING THIS IS PUNKIN. I THINK THERE'S ONE LIGHT OVER THE GARAGE BECAUSE THE TOTAL DISTANCE BETWEEN THE FRONT DOOR AND THE GARAGE APPEARS IN THE PICTURE TO BE PRETTY SHORT.
SO IF YOU HAVE A LIGHT BY THE FRONT DOOR, ONE OVER THE GARAGE WOULD APPEAR TO BE SUFFICIENT.
ANY OTHER ANY THOUGHTS FOR THE APPLICATION.
THERE'S AN OR COMMENT IN THE FRONT RAMP STEPS, AND THE OR IS EITHER THE CHARCOAL CONCRETE PAVERS OR A CONCRETE SIDEWALK.
HAS EVERYONE LOOKED AT THE PAVERS AND DOES ANYBODY HAVE A PREFERENCE OR A COMMENT ON THAT OR CAN WE LEAVE THAT AS IN OR? WHERE DO YOU SEE THAT TIM? IN THE DESCRIPTION, FRONT RAMP / STEPS.
CURRENTLY, THERE'S A WOOD RAMP.
OKAY, I THOUGHT YOU MEANT ON THE PLAN.
AND THEY'RE PROPOSING USING, IT'S LIKE A BRICK SCALE 4 BY 8 CHARCOAL.
IT'S LIKE A MEDIUM GRAY CONCRETE PAVER OR POURING A CONCRETE SIDEWALK ON TOP OF THE EXISTING SIDEWALK.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? JUST, THIS IS LINDA WRIGHT, I WOULD THINK THE CONCRETE PAVERS WOULD LOOK NICER LONGER OVER TIME BECAUSE THEY WON'T STAIN WITH ALL THE TREES THAT ARE IN THAT AREA.
THE CONCRETE STAINS AND LOOKS REALLY WORN AND UGLY VERY QUICKLY, VERSUS A PAVER THAT YOU CAN POWER WASH.
ANYTHING ELSE WITH REGARD TO THIS APPLICATION? AND ARE YOU JUST GOING TO REPLACE THE GUTTERS WITH THE SAME TYPE GUTTERS? YES, THEY'LL BE WHITE.
AND THE GARAGE DOOR IS GOING TO BE WHITE? YES.
OKAY, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IS THERE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION, THIS TIM CLITES.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE COA 20-16 REQUEST OF NICHOLAS HUTCHINS FOR EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS AT 409 EAST MARSHALL STREET WITH THE FOLLOWING CLARIFICATIONS; THAT THE SUBSTITUTED LIGHT FIXTURE PRESENTED AFTER WE RECEIVED THE PACKAGE IS APPROVED, THAT WE WILL USE ONE OF THOSE LIGHT FIXTURES CENTERED ABOVE THE GARAGE DOOR, THAT THE FRONT RAMP WOULD BE REMOVED AND THAT CHARCOAL CONCRETE PAVERS WOULD BE INSTALLED AS THE FINISHED SURFACE, THAT THE CEDAR ON THE COLUMNS WOULD BE LEFT IN A NATURAL CONDITION WITH NO STAIN. I BELIEVE THAT'S, AND THAT THE GUTTERS AND DOWNSPOUTS WOULD BE REPLACED TO MATCH EXISTING.
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IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, THIS IS PUNKIN.SAY NO, ALL THOSE VOTING NO SAY NAY.
[LAUGHTER] THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. HUTCHINS. GOOD LUCK.
OKAY IS THERE AN UPDATE, TIM, ON THE DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR
[VI.a) Design Guidelines update]
[INAUDIBLE] OR SOMETHING? OH YES.SO COUNCIL DID APPROVE ENTERING INTO THE CONTRACT WITH FRAZIER AND ASSOCIATES.
AND THEN BILL AND KATHY FRAZIER PROMPTLY WENT ON VACATION WELL, THEY'RE ACTUALLY COMING BACK, I THINK, NEXT WEEK.
PROCESS. WE ANTICIPATE THAT THERE WILL BE A DISCUSSION NEXT MONTH LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING THAT PROJECT UNDERWAY.
AND WE HAVE NINE MONTHS OR SO TO GET IT DONE.
SO WE ARE GOING TO BE PUSHING HARD TO GET THAT DONE BY THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR, WHICH IS JUNE 30, WHICH IS PART OF GOOD.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE IS THERE THE MEMBER IN THE HDRC, IS THAT IN THE PROCESS OR HOW DOES THAT WORK, WILL? YES SO RHONDA, I THINK IS ALREADY ADVERTISING THE VACANCY.
I'VE ALREADY RECEIVED ONE INQUIRY TO ME FROM A LOCAL ARCHITECT.
I SHOULD SAY SHE LIVES LOCALLY, SHE WORKS OUT OF THE AREA, BUT I THINK DOES A LOT OF THE WORK REMOTELY. SO THEY ARE FAIRLY NEW RESIDENTS, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, NEW TO THE TOWN AND LOOKING TO GET INVOLVED.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE ANOTHER DESIGN PROFESSIONAL COME ALONG.
FRESH, FRESH IDEAS IS JUST GREAT.
WE'LL SEE IF WE RECEIVE ANY OTHER INQUIRIES VERY GOOD.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE? [INAUDIBLE] EVERYBODY NEXT MONTH, NOVEMBER WHEN IS IT, NOVEMBER 3RD?
[VII) Meeting Quorum - November 5]
YES.AND I'M SURE THERE'S YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE MUCH HOLE TO FILL HERE.
IT'S JUST THE NEXT TALENTED PERSON TO FILL THIS HOLE SO.
BALONEY BUT NO, SERIOUSLY, THANK YOU ALL. I'VE ENJOYED VERY MUCH WORKING WITH YOU ALL.
ARE YOU STEPPING AWAY FROM YOUR WORK TOO?
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.